tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1227591395966495076.post4935169578102507923..comments2023-11-08T14:24:06.331-08:00Comments on RawforLife Blog: Debbie Does B12 Pt 2 (Dilemmas)Debbie Tookhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10345367033617524547noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1227591395966495076.post-23352556765876267752010-08-02T15:55:38.521-07:002010-08-02T15:55:38.521-07:00Selina- what is the green powder and where do you ...Selina- what is the green powder and where do you get it from?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15219934382466073171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1227591395966495076.post-41610755688034223022010-05-11T09:08:51.953-07:002010-05-11T09:08:51.953-07:00Selina, agree that B12 supplementation varies and ...Selina, agree that B12 supplementation varies and of course all the online 'raw' suppliers make claims as to how 'natural' they are. Up to us to try to determine the facts from the marketing puffery...Debbie Tookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10345367033617524547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1227591395966495076.post-83916560538544395862010-05-11T09:07:28.362-07:002010-05-11T09:07:28.362-07:00Hi Kim
I wouldn't worry about your wee being ...Hi Kim<br /><br />I wouldn't worry about your wee being red after eating beetroot. In straw polls of raw fooders on forum, this seems to happen to most of us - far more than the 10-15% in the article (or perhaps it's just raw fooders!). My wee's pink after beetroot and I'm not iron deficient.<br /><br />I seem to remember well-known raw fooder and teacher Tonya Zavasta actually recommending we use the 'pink/red wee' test to determine how long our bowel transit time is, ie how long it takes us to digest food, so presumably her wee also turns red and she doesn't see it as a problem. Also, I assume her B12 level is fine as B12 is the one supplement she takes on her 100% raw vegan diet.<br /><br />Others such as Victoria Boutenko do think it symptomatic of low HCL in the stomach and recommend green smoothies to increase the low HCL. As with so many things in the raw food world, who really knows? :-)Debbie Tookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10345367033617524547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1227591395966495076.post-59619318825605805422010-05-11T07:50:24.921-07:002010-05-11T07:50:24.921-07:00I also sometimes supplement with pills, not sure h...I also sometimes supplement with pills, not sure how effective they are. But I have started to drink green powder a few times a week, and it has a whole day of supplementation of B12 in one dose.<br />What I mean is that there are many different B12 supplements out there, and some are more natural than others.selina.alienshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10789043938475248480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1227591395966495076.post-48628024365024819582010-05-11T04:32:53.498-07:002010-05-11T04:32:53.498-07:00Dear Debbie,
I have been so inconsistant in this B...Dear Debbie,<br />I have been so inconsistant in this B12 thing. I wanted to share with you about Beeturia. I ate some boiled red beets which came from a friends garden and unriated red. No big deal i thought but then red it could be a sign of anemia. You can read about Beeturia From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Odd since I have been feeling bad for about a month. I incresed my greens this did not help.I did add some eggs and a little fish and I did feel better. I go to the Dr. for labs today and see where I stand. i really hate the thought of supplements as I worry as to how much will really be obsorbed. Anyway i am so on the fence right now. Never thought I would be one to have to worry about this so soon. Only a year into this raw food lifestyle. Thank you for your honesty. You are so right about pride and I have the fear of being boo'd off for opening up and being honest. I think we should all learn from one another without judgement as each of us take our own health journey.<br />Thanks for all the info.<br />kimAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1227591395966495076.post-81879623768362499032010-05-10T21:42:16.291-07:002010-05-10T21:42:16.291-07:00Many thanks for that information, Patrick - one I ...Many thanks for that information, Patrick - one I may try when I've finished the Jarrows.Debbie Tookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10345367033617524547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1227591395966495076.post-91826200237594892642010-05-10T21:40:50.798-07:002010-05-10T21:40:50.798-07:00Posted on behalf of Patrick:
Debbie,
Excellent a...Posted on behalf of Patrick:<br /><br />Debbie,<br /><br />Excellent articles - wouldn\'t it be wonderful if the answer was crystal clear.<br /><br />If anyone reading this chooses to supplement, then I suggest looking at the Solgar product \'Methylcobalamin 1000mcg Nuggets\'. There are 30 in a bottle for just under £10. They are sublingual, that is you just pop one of the tiny pills under your tongue and it dissolves easily within a minute, so no concerns as it absorbs through your mouth lining not your stomach. It does have the added ingredients you mentioned, but I\'d prefer that to all the stuff that must accompany an injection.<br /><br />I looked at B12 patches, but for some reason that I can\'t recall now (sorry) I decided against them, I felt that they were more of a marketing product, than an effective solution, although I started off eager to try them.<br /><br />Thanks for taking the time to write up your research/conclusions, without even having a product or affiliate link at the end to make it financially worthwhile :-)<br /><br />PatrickDebbie Tookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10345367033617524547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1227591395966495076.post-13518507439973132242010-05-09T00:40:44.646-07:002010-05-09T00:40:44.646-07:00And, folks, you can read what I found out when I p...And, folks, you can read what I found out when I phoned the farm in my postscript to the article...Debbie Tookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10345367033617524547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1227591395966495076.post-1094016512241384332010-05-01T11:40:46.299-07:002010-05-01T11:40:46.299-07:00Hi HV
You are indeed very fortunate :-)
(If you e...Hi HV<br /><br />You are indeed very fortunate :-)<br />(If you ever choose to exercise that option). <br /><br />And, as you are a long-term vegan, I greatly appreciate your posting.<br /><br />Couple of years ago I found a stall at a farmers' market that supplied raw goats milk and they too would also only supply in certain months, when the kids' needs weren't as high. I've found one source in the UK that supplies mild raw goats cheese online. I've asked them if their supplier also keeps the goat for meat, but...I've had no answer.<br />So next week I'm ringing the farm direct! Fingers crossed.Debbie Tookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10345367033617524547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1227591395966495076.post-62321192993517301962010-05-01T11:27:15.438-07:002010-05-01T11:27:15.438-07:00Your b-12 journey is fascinating to me! I have 3 ...Your b-12 journey is fascinating to me! I have 3 kids, vegan from birth (oldest is 9), and my husband and I have been vegan for almost 10 years, so the b-12 issue is something that I think a lot about. Like, you, I've tried to collect all info I can find, for when I decide I really truly "need" it. <br /><br />I'm incredibly lucky to have two different families within 10 miles of me who raise goats for milk only, hand-milk only a gallon a day TOTAL from all of their goats (i.e. a very small amount from each one) and don't milk year round. The goats live the good life on MANY acres (one acreage adjoins our land) and act more like pets than "livestock". The babies are also left with their mamas and the mama goats aren't milked until the baby goat stops being so dependent of it's mama's milk. <br /><br />It's really incredible to watch the goats come up to willingly be milked for a few minutes each. I know that if I ever felt the need to introduce raw goat milk into our diets, I have it available to me, and I wouldn't have to feel like it conflicts with my ethics.<br /><br />I didn't realize that not everyone has those options available and I feel very grateful that I do. <br /><br />I look forward to reading more of your blog, as I love your honesty on this "controversial" subject! :)Happy Veganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12666295535910141852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1227591395966495076.post-32806444852933978912010-04-18T02:47:13.310-07:002010-04-18T02:47:13.310-07:00'Never say never' is good - we can't b...'Never say never' is good - we can't be certain what's right.<br /><br />(Although, like you, I'm 99.99% certain that raw food is better than damaged food!)Debbie Tookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10345367033617524547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1227591395966495076.post-82631588774290407032010-04-18T02:07:32.990-07:002010-04-18T02:07:32.990-07:00Hi Debbie,
Very true in what you have said. It is ...Hi Debbie,<br />Very true in what you have said. It is easy to say that this or that made me feel the way I was feeling and did the adding of fish and eggs make me feel better? Was it in my head? I think the bottom line for me is for now I feel better. Wether it lasts or not is the test of time. I still believe with my whole heart that a raw foods lifestyle is best. It has changed my life. I am open though that there may be incidences where change is needed. Maybe temporaily or long term. I never want to say never if that makes sense? Thanks for your honesty.<br />KimAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1227591395966495076.post-40503927303292473722010-04-17T22:39:38.998-07:002010-04-17T22:39:38.998-07:00Hi Kim
I think the problem with eating x or y and...Hi Kim<br /><br />I think the problem with eating x or y and 'feeling better' that very week is that it could well be coincidental (or even psychological?)...he proof of the pudding will be the long-term. <br /><br />As I said in the article, after I'd taken the supplement (v large doses of B12) I felt no different, and after I'd had dairy I felt no different. I'm not pouring cold water here, as it may well have been that you were B12-deficient, but I think it could be worth having a blood test to check, as you could have been feeling tired/depressed for one of a hundred reasons unconnected with food. Or, it *could* have been connected with food in that when we go raw our eyes are opened to all sorts of things, and we can see so clearly (and it's often very painful) the things that are wrong with our lives/world in general!Debbie Tookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10345367033617524547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1227591395966495076.post-84694913251576746982010-04-17T19:23:56.044-07:002010-04-17T19:23:56.044-07:00Debbie,
This was such a good post and have enjoyed...Debbie,<br />This was such a good post and have enjoyed reading it and learning. I also as you know from my last post have struggled with this. While I have only been raw a year the last couple months I have felt tired, a little depressed too for no reason. I decided to add a little fish, and a couple eggs this week. I could not believe how much better I felt. I also noticed my hair was thining the last few months. While I have not had my blood tested, I have relied on how I feel. I will give it another couple weeks in this trial and see if this is what I needed. I had to give myself permission to try this and not allow guilt to follow. I know it is easy to put a label on ourselves and say "I am raw vegan" I am this or that but everyone's body is different and we all obsorb and react differently to foods. I am turning 50 this month and may need something that I am lacking. One thing that amazed me by eating fish twice this week, I did not crave fat or sweets that had been coming lately. I don't understand that part. So for now I am eating fruits, raw veggies, fish a couple days per week and range free eggs a couple times per week. I know this makes me not a total raw vegan but I am feeling better. Maybe I will do it for awhile. I dont know if my B12 was low but something was lacking. The fog lifted and I do feel more like myself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1227591395966495076.post-33184541853436048262010-04-08T18:06:45.178-07:002010-04-08T18:06:45.178-07:00Hi Debbie,
I'm sure this was a tough decision...Hi Debbie,<br /><br />I'm sure this was a tough decision to make and I'm glad you made the decision that works best for you! :)<br /><br />Love, KarmynKarmynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10189973932408545419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1227591395966495076.post-39238099371056663422010-04-06T13:05:58.429-07:002010-04-06T13:05:58.429-07:00Hi Melissa
Thank you for your post - particularly...Hi Melissa<br /><br />Thank you for your post - particularly the information on goats. My husband has always wanted to keep one...Debbie Tookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10345367033617524547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1227591395966495076.post-69372120195361021592010-04-06T12:24:33.724-07:002010-04-06T12:24:33.724-07:00Based on your views I would strongly encourage you...Based on your views I would strongly encourage you to take supplements, perhaps the shots, and NOT to drink goat's milk. I am a flesh eater and will not consume goat products because of my experience with working at a goat dairy. I can assure you the production is not consistent with your ethics. The farmer I worked with loved her goats and when the babies were born and she had to send the males away to be raised for meat, she would cry. I understood. Goats are among the most empathetic and human-like of all farm animals. They are almost like dogs in their craving for human attention and ability to mirror and react to our emotions. There is a reason we call them kids...<br /><br />Why do I regularly consume flesh of fish if I feel this way? In so many ways our feelings about animals are arbitrary. Fish might have feelings, but it's quite difficult to discern them if they do. The bleating sadness of the mothers goats after their male kids are taken away is unmistakable heart wrenching, it's the same pitch used by wailing babies. <br /><br />Mussels and other bivalves have high levels of b-12, as well as other nutrients hard to get in a vegan diet like taurine and DHA. They also can be eaten raw safely, do not have emotions because they do not have brains. <br /><br />If you have your own goat you could potentially have more ethical goat milk, especially since there is the possibility to buy sexed semen and to only impregnate your goat with female babies. You could also try perennial dairy methods, which, if they work, mean you can milk without the birth of a kid each year.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06262730156552874803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1227591395966495076.post-44761005004208660722010-04-06T11:31:02.371-07:002010-04-06T11:31:02.371-07:00Hi Gretchen
Good to hear from you again. Another...Hi Gretchen<br /><br />Good to hear from you again. Another reason for wishing I lived in California - gnash! I do know what you mean about the simplicity of vegan...I may well change my mind back and forth many times over the years to come! (Although may not write a few thousand words every time I do - may just do it quietly :-))Debbie Tookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10345367033617524547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1227591395966495076.post-72768053398336356212010-04-06T11:17:49.059-07:002010-04-06T11:17:49.059-07:00Hi Debbie,
Thanks so much for writing both these ...Hi Debbie,<br /><br />Thanks so much for writing both these articles on B12. I didn't worry about it at first, but it's been over two years of lfrv now, and I'm thinking I should probably get tested. If low, I will definitely be in your same position, and I so appreciate you being honest and thorough. The patch that Sheryl mentioned is definitely something I'll look into if I find that I'm low. Also, I do know one person (Don Weaver) who has been raw vegan for 32 years now. He recently got tested and found that he was a little low, and now supplements.<br /><br />Like you, I do love dairy and I know I have raw options. I live in California and can get it at the farmers markets where the goat guy brings pictures of his goats and I feel good about that source. I wish I liked raw eggs - my neighbors keep chickens and I feed them my kitchen scraps every day and know they're happy and healthy. But ick! And I used to love raw oysters in years past, but that's definitely not a humane source.<br /><br />However, I also love being vegan now. It's so pure and simple and I feel so good about not using animals for food. Plus I used to have scary-high cholesterol, and dairy was my big weakness and I'm just kind of afraid to open the floodgates. I'm not really known for moderation!<br /><br />Okay, thanks again for all the awesome info, and for sharing yourself so openly. I love your blog :-)Gretchenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07266400711729945708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1227591395966495076.post-28233633186086292142010-04-05T11:42:42.682-07:002010-04-05T11:42:42.682-07:00Thanks, Sheryl.
Lots of good B12 info on the site...Thanks, Sheryl.<br /><br />Lots of good B12 info on the site as well.Debbie Tookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10345367033617524547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1227591395966495076.post-76703149923705583792010-04-05T11:26:16.899-07:002010-04-05T11:26:16.899-07:00This patch is cheaper at only $10 a month! http://...This patch is cheaper at only $10 a month! http://www.amazon.com/B-12-Energy-Patch-8-Patches/dp/B002EJ3OGMUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11347744019177245311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1227591395966495076.post-75155331582901231362010-04-05T11:22:42.226-07:002010-04-05T11:22:42.226-07:00Hi Debbie,
I wonder if you have considered the B1...Hi Debbie,<br /><br />I wonder if you have considered the B12 patch! http://www.b12patch.com<br /><br />Seems like the benefits of the shot but without the discomfort and as it is gradually absorbed, probably without the "high" you mention.<br /><br />Remember that no matter how happy the animal you source your milk from appears, she still has her free will taken away. In most cases, she will have its babies taken away before they even ween. Dairy is inherently cruel and I do not think animals should suffer due to our society's errors. B12 would not be a problem for you if you lived in a pristine environment with clean water and soil!<br /><br />~ SherryUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11347744019177245311noreply@blogger.com